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		<title>2009-11-07</title>
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <ul> <li>Site owners, admins and mods: all traffic on the whole site.</li> <li><strong>Site members: new pages only (not edits).</strong></li> <li>Page creator or editor: all traffic on that page.</li> <li>Page commentor: all traffic on that page.</li> </ul> <p><strong>I'm not sure about the site members getting new pages. That could be dropped.</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>Agreed.</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>pieterh</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>99</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>This discussion should move to the design blog: I'd suggest re-reading <a href="http://blog.wikidot.com/design:2">http://blog.wikidot.com/design:2</a>.</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>I think that the best way to have it would be to only have people watch the things that they create. So that means that they don't auto-watch sites they join, but they do watch sites that they create, and pages that they create, edit or comment on.</p> </blockquote> <p>Yes, and I think this should be automatic and not configured. That was the goal of design:2, partly.</p> <p>OK… so… maybe a next step is to just remove this option and change to a more sensible default from design:2:</p> <ul> <li>Site owners, admins and mods: all traffic on the whole site.</li> <li>Site members: new pages only (not edits).</li> <li>Page creator or editor: all traffic on that page.</li> <li>Page commentor: all traffic on that page.</li> </ul> <p>I'm not sure about the site members getting new pages. That could be dropped.</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>leiger</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>32953</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Okay… maybe this change wasn't such a good solution after all.</p> <p>This is all one option: <strong>[_] Auto-watch sites I create or join, pages I create, edit or comment.</strong></p> <p>I think that the best way to have it would be to only have people watch the things that they create. So that means that they don't auto-watch sites they <em>join</em>, but they do watch sites that they <em>create</em>, and pages that they create, edit or comment on.</p> <p>The problem being, that to set it up that way it's a bit more complicated than changing a simple setting's default value.</p> <p>I have a feeling that there was an extensive discussion about the best way to do exactly that… but the only page I can find that remotely mentions this would be <a href="http://blog.wikidot.com/design:3" >this page on the design blog</a> (read the comments, not the design itself). I think there's a better reference somewhere…</p> <p>Something like:</p> <blockquote> <p>Watch sites:<br /> [_] That I create [_] That I join<br /> Watch pages<br /> [_] That I create [_] That I edit [_] That I post a comment to</p> </blockquote> <hr /> <p>Wikidot is amazing… yet there are so many things that I and others want :) If only I had the money to pledge more at the <a href="http://roadmap.wikidot.com" >roadmap</a> site, I could show how much I appreciate the work you're doing.</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>OK, allow me to be explicit: I gave you a stripe, more than earned.</p> </blockquote> <p>Oh =0 I didn't realise that… thanks! :)</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>Why would you say you don't have a stripe? :-)</p> </blockquote> <p>OK, allow me to be explicit: I gave you a stripe, more than earned.</p> <p>Right-clicking: on a user name or icon, and see a small menu, "Send message / Send thanks / See profile". Easier and more obvious than going to the profile page first.</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>Why would you say you don't have a stripe? :-)</p> </blockquote> <p>Because I was only ever awarded a Black Belt (very first person to be added to the list when it was on your blog, I'm proud to say XD)</p> <blockquote> <p>I like the idea of building this into Wikidot itself, being able to send a Thank you directly from the user interface. Right click, type message, Enter. Do you want to chuck a couple of ideas into the design wiki? Also, I think the black belt site can gently be phased out in favour of the superguru karma, when we roll that out.</p> </blockquote> <p>Not sure what you mean with right-clicking. Where would someone right-click from?</p> <p>I was saying that someone would click on a user's name and the pop-up profile would appear: <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/leiger" ><!--[if gte IE 7]><!--><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/common--images/avatars/32/32953/a16.png" alt="leiger" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=32953)" /><!--<![endif]--><!--[if lt IE 7]><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/common&#45;&#45;images/avatars/32/32953/a16.png" alt="leiger" style="filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src=http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=32953,sizingMethod='scale')"/><![endif]--></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/leiger" >leiger</a></span>, and from that profile would be a link next to "send private message", that says "thank this user" or something similar. You had something different, involving right-clicks, in mind?</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>And despite people seeming to think that I have several stripes, I've still only got a black belt XD So that just goes to show how (not) often people visit the site and read it.</p> </blockquote> <p>Why would you say you don't have a stripe? :-)</p> <p>I like the idea of building this into Wikidot itself, being able to send a Thank you directly from the user interface. Right click, type message, Enter. Do you want to chuck a couple of ideas into the design wiki? Also, I think the black belt site can gently be phased out in favour of the superguru karma, when we roll that out.</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The big thanks is for disabling auto-watching for new users. All I need to do now is to convince the less-active members of my site to unwatch themselves… because I get the feeling that they're getting tons of emails and don't know how to stop it. :( Or the more likely scenario, they've blocked anything from Wikidot.com as being spam and therefore don't receive anything. Luckily there are only 3-4 of them.</p> <p>And I forgot all about the Black Belt site. To be honest, I don't really think it has that much of an impact. I have to actually <em>remember</em> to use it — if there was a similar system built-in to wikidot itself, it'd be much easier to use (click on user's name, click on "thank this user", and done! They get PMed with a link to the page you thanked them from)</p> <p>And despite people seeming to think that I have several stripes, I've still only got a black belt XD So that just goes to show how (not) often people visit the site and read it.</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Steven Heynderickx</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>55440</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Why the big thank you?<br /> BTW blackbelt is still alive</p> 
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				<title>Re: 2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><span style="font-size:800%;"><span style="color: #0094FF;">T</span><span style="color: #4CFF00;">h</span><span style="color: #FFD800;">a</span><span style="color: red;">n</span><span style="color: #404040;">k</span> <span style="color: #FF6A00;">y</span><span style="color: #808080;">o</span><span style="color: #007F7F;">u</span><span style="color: #B200FF;">!</span></span></p> <p>I'm so happy… I made some weird colourful "thank you" message :)</p> 
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				<title>2009-11-07</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <ul> <li>New accounts now have "Watching sites" off by default</li> <li>The Feed module stopped working in some cases - fixed</li> </ul> 
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